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Pamela's avatar

Andy Wakefield was my hero when I was a young Mom. And please do not leave out Dr.Mercola who has been at the head of this for a very long time. Have been watching the dancing and prancing in the MFM for a few years now, and in my opinion all of the current “champions” should acknowledge the pioneers that came before them, often at great cost. Thanks for saying the quiet part out loud.

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Ann Tomoko Rosen's avatar

Yes. Dr. Mercola is another great example. There are so many people who held space for us and I'm grateful to all of them.

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Scott Gordon - FreeScientology's avatar

Beautiful article. So well-explained, the state of things and what we should be getting from all this.

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Ann Tomoko Rosen's avatar

Thank you, Scott.

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peter daley's avatar

Likewise as an aged observer and retired GP I concur, to live an endure to the end.

I blog occasionally with some gems for any who want to know.

Freedom lies in the search for "Truth which is Stranger Than Fiction".

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Ann Tomoko Rosen's avatar

Thanks, Peter. I'm going to check your blog out now...

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peter daley's avatar

my website is ; kasselmain.com "The Divine Heresies"

My book "Metaphysics and The New Age"

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Susan Liang's avatar

Holy Spirit lead you!

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Jeff Schreiber's avatar

“Maybe the best way to fend off threats is by continuously rooting into our values, supporting our friends and strengthening our communities”

And to always remember that our time here is so brief and forever fleeing. Every day is where all of the glory lies and each one of us carries a special flame within our heart.

Sometimes the greatest thing we can offer someone else is a genuine smile and a helping hand. Much love to you Ann 🙏🏽

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Ann Tomoko Rosen's avatar

Yes to all of this. Thank you, Jeff 🙏

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Susan Liang's avatar

Here's the biggest red pill for you -- if you're interested. You may, because of the current culture of modernity (old is bad, new is good) like a magnet at the wrong end (a culture created by those "others") feel automatically repelled.

Here goes. In Acts 2:1-5 (google it)

, there is a news report of an ancient event where a bunch of people from different nations had gathered, speaking their own languages. The Spirit of God, not just any spirit, but the Holy Spirit, fell on the entire crowd.

You will have to hold your nose here, given our modernity.

Instantly all these people understood each other although never having learned each other's language.

What does this mean? Or what message did God want to send humans? He can make a way where there is no way. This alludes to the characteristics of God/Jesus. Omniscient. Omnipotent.Omnipresent. These do not require human belief to exist.

But one purpose of the characteristic of omnipotence is God's ability to guide each human, only with their permission, in perfect synchrony -- if and when there is a time humans require it -- and ask for it.

(This is not the synchrony of death or totalitarianism that requires the extinguishment of individuality.)

This requires belief in God. That is, human consent.

Ancient news reports selected for the Bible send the message that God will not use any human as a means to His ends. He will not save unless asked. And He can ("Omnipotent"). He will use nations that violate the command of The Shema to love your neighbor as yourself to destroy those who destroy others. Then he will destroy those destroyer nations. All is human consent.

There is no God-driven genocide commanded by God. Certain key ancient news reports have been deleted from the modern Bible by some elitis humans in the same bloodline as current elitists. That would be Enoch 1 the news story of the origins of these elites intent on destroying or depopulating the masses of the human race (inferior masses to them, innately valuable humans to God).

See Deuteronomy 2: 20-21 ancient news report on the progeny of the royal bloodline elite that rules most of the human race. Triple red pill -- only because of the millennia-long effort of the elite to hide their own origins as watcher angels of Genesis 6 who married into the human race in order to legally link through their hybrid sons the giants, to the land (earth) God gave dominion to humans only. The "royals" are hybrids. They wish to rule again the earth entire this time as they did in Sumer, Babylon, Egypt and Rome. They love human slaves. They only want a few hundred million, though. You know part of that story.

See Blurry Creatures, free on podbean app. Only (only, seriously) episodes such as by Michael Heiser on this censored pre-history, and on the Titan and the Teens as a modern encounter by two teenagers with an Deuteronomy 2 "amalekite".

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Ann Tomoko Rosen's avatar

Thank you, Susan. I'm going to have to go back and reread... and then process this. I feel like some of this rings familiar from other things I have read, but it's still pretty new (and overwhelming) to me.

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Candace Lynn Talmadge's avatar

Well said, Ann. How many in the health freedom movement advocate for personal autonomy when it comes to vaccines, but not for, say, abortion? If half the population is forced to bear children they don't want, then none of us has true health freedom. If the state can outlaw the right to abortion, it can outlaw anything medical related, or force anything medical related on the unwilling. I am always skeptical of everything and all claims, especially of self-anointed skeptics and arbiters of what's true and accurate. How about we stop trying to control everything and just grant others the same freedoms and personal autonomy we want for ourselves?

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Freedom Fox's avatar

That assertion of personal autonomy is an acknowledgement of only one of two voices with claims to personal autonomy.

The one voice you speak with, that of a grown woman, is prejudicial and dismissive of the voice the new life has but is developmentally incapable of sharing. Incapable of speech isn't the same as having no legitimate voice.

What rights a voiceless fetus has is the debate. Those who assert that only the mother's voice is legitimate must hold the belief that a fetus is just a bunch of malignant cells, a parasite, a tumor without any right to personal autonomy. Or else they'd have to admit abortion is then exercising their discretion to murder another, violate the personal autonomy and health rights of another - for the mother's own "greater good."

This is what those who perform late term or even post partum abortions are obviously doing, knowing that babies are viable outside the womb at earlier and earlier stages of fetus development.

Look, I understand the hardships and concerns that women have about becoming pregnant when they are prepared, or with the father they had in mind for their child, or with a baby that may end up suffering with deformities or handicaps. And for the mother that lifetime commitment wasn't what they signed up for.

And there were stages in my life I valued that woman's right to choose more than that baby's right to live. One life you see in front of you, and it has voice you hear. The other, unseen, no voice, might as well be a clump of parasitic cells. But a fetus different than a clump of parasitic cells. And we all know it.

Claiming abortion as a health freedom issue is merely salve for an otherwise guilty conscience of those who can't bring themselves to the admission that asserting the right to choose is asserting the right to violate the health freedom of another life they deem has an inferior claim to live than their right to not become a mother. For the would-be mother's greater good.

Real freedom and rights do not involve an obligation and burden on others. Abortion imposes the most severe burden on another possible. Just because they can't share their voice...yet.

There is a failsafe way to never have an abortion. In an era of extreme selfishness and narcissism that method is conveniently ignored. Because carnal pleasure shouldn't come with consequences. A fetus becomes a convenient fall guy (girl) for those who exercise their right but don't want the responsibility it comes with. It's not like they never knew pregnancy was a possibility.

You misunderstand the entire concept of freedom if you try to put abortion under the health freedom umbrella. You seek to legitimize murder as a virtuous and protected act. Maybe there are circumstances where a "greater good" is served by it. That's where the real debate is - when is it ok to kill another? A separate debate from health freedom. Unless you consider a fetus a clump of parasitic cells. And if you believe that I have pity on you, your inhumanity.

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Patti's avatar

I abhor abortion and I do not want tax money going to any of it! I also don’t want gov’t telling me what I can and can’t do. As a society we must decide what laws we should have and keep them to a minimum. It’s already too late for that though!!! God’s law against murder should apply as that is what abortion is. Gov’t has no place in it but society should not support abortion. Churches should preach against it and it should be rare. Sadly it is commonplace so the human race is already lost.

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Candace Lynn Talmadge's avatar

From my perspective, abortion means delay, not death. The soul will simply wait until the woman is ready to have a child, or will choose another mother. You see, abortion is murder is a religious belief. I respect that belief, but refuse to have it imposed on me by law. The United States is not a theocracy--at least not yet. Thus sectarian religious views should not guide the laws we pass.

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Pamela's avatar

Candace, please do not bring your bitterness to a topic that has not one thing to do with your ardent stance. Fetal body parts along with Fetal stem cells is a multi-billion dollar industry. Know your facts before you pollute a writers page with off topic sludge.

Delay? Now that is some very special “word salad”.

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Candace Lynn Talmadge's avatar

Your line of reasoning escapes me. I feel no bitterness toward you or anyone else. I am defending my bodily autonomy in all healthcare areas.. This country is not a theocracy, so sectarian religious beliefs have no place in framing our laws. Even so,, it's worth noting that many sincere Christians support women's access to abortion. It does seem hypocritical to me to claim to support medical freedom in vaccines but not in other areas, like abortion.

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