These people believe they are following the science. They understand corruption. The best we can do, I believe, is to show them that medical scientists say the system is corrupt. This is one of my responses:
The last couple of years, heralds a new era where government appointed medical scientists have been given a position to dictate to the citizens. They have dictated when we can leave our homes, how far we can travel, order mandatory face masks and coerce citizens to be injected with pharmaceutical products etc.
This would be OK if the medical industrial complex were not corrupt.
Here are 3 editors of major Medical journals who are telling us that corruption is rife in medical science. These are not fringe conspiracy theorists, these are experts who have been at the coal face of medical research for decades!
What if there is a huge web of corruption that aims to design studies that amplify the effectiveness of vaccines? More importantly, to shut down any research or researcher that suggests they have significant safety concerns? I'm arguing this case because we are at a point where people who don't trust vaccines are being labelled irresponsible and worse. Experts who question the safety or the effectiveness or the necessity of the vaccines often lose their jobs and are always censored and vilified.
People are defending this because they are told that we are following the science. Well I'm putting the point across that we should at least question this ideology because editors of prestigious medical journals have come out and told us that medical science is corrupt!
Maybe we should be a little less trusting?
"Politicisation of science was enthusiastically deployed by some of history’s worst autocrats and dictators, and it is now regrettably commonplace in democracies.20 The medical-political complex tends towards suppression of science to aggrandise and enrich those in power. And, AS THE POWERFUL BECOME MORE SUCCESSFUL, RICHER AND FURTHER INTOXICATED WITH POWER, the inconvenient truths of science are suppressed. When good science is suppressed, people die."
“It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or AUTHORITATIVE MEDICAL GUIDELINES. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as editor of The New England Journal of Medicine” (my emphasasis)
"It's unusual to watch one of the world's most powerful editors in scientific publishing play with a marionette puppet.
But Dr. Fiona Godlee, editor of the BMJ, specializes in the unexpected.
The puppet she's holding is dressed as a doctor, complete with a stethoscope around its neck. Its strings represent the hidden hand of the pharmaceutical industry.
'I think we have to call it what it is. It is a corruption of the scientific process.' -Dr. Fiona Godlee, editor, BMJ "
Another quote from the article
"It's led me and others to increasingly question the idea that the manufacturer of the drug could ever be considered the right people to evaluate its effectiveness and safety," Godlee says.
"That seems to me to be very mad idea which has grown up historically, and we have to start questioning it and we have to come up with alternatives, which would mean independent studies done by independent bodies."
And it matters, Godlee says, because bad science can be dangerous.
Thank you, Peter. Great quotes! And I agree that we might have some success chipping away at that deference to authority by pointing out that some of their trusted sources acknowledging some serious problems in the system. But, corrupt or not, I would never be ok with the medical industrial complex dictating when we can leave our homes, how far we can travel, and what we inject into our bodies.
It sounds like you are working hard to meet people where they are. How have the responses been? Do you think people are coming around?
Well I don't have a public profile. I've had some interesting debates on my fb page. The vaccine enthusiasts don't seem to have changed their position much but I don't believe you could be unchanged reading about this corruption. I've had friends (fence sitters) write to me and say that they invisibly follow the debates and agree with me.
I think the debates are really for the fence sitters. I can't speak for you, but my vaccine position is a pro-choice one, so I don't need to convince vaccine enthusiasts. I just want people to have access to other information before they make these important decisions. To that end, it sounds like you are finding creative ways of meeting people in the middle and opening the conversation, which is awesome.
In regards to NJ’s A4334 bill requiring COVID vaccines for all higher institutions of learning I sent emails opposing A4334 to all 40 members of NJ Senate and to all 80 members of NJ Assembly. I was able to do this in using only 2 emails.
ACT NOW NEW JERSEY: Tell Your Law Makers to Vote NO to Covid Vaccine Mandates at Institutions of Higher Education | Stand for Health Freedom
👉🏿As a New Jersey voter I ask you to oppose A4334.
On June 20, Asm Herb Conaway introduced bill A4334, which would require students, staff and “others present” at institutions of higher education to receive the COVID-19 vaccine.
This legislation is discriminatory, unnecessary and absurd. COVID vaccine mandates were always wrong, but now they are also just blatantly punitive. And dangerous.
We can no longer deny that some of the early warnings about these shots were warranted.
There have been over 50,000 cases of myocarditis, nearly 16,000 heart attacks and nearly 30,000 deaths reported to VAERS, the CDC’s own surveillance system. A Harvard study asserted that less than 10% of adverse events ever get reported, so these numbers represent fraction of what is happening in the real world. And while we can’t talk about causality, these are gigantic safety signals and we need to look at them.
We’re learning that there are at least temporary impacts in fertility for both men and women and the long term impacts remain unknown. Miscarriages are off the charts. These things were dismissed as “misinformation” early on, but we seem to confirm more of them every week.
These shots provide no public health benefit. They do not stop infection or transmission. They were formulated for variants that no longer exist and they’re not effective against the current circulating strains. Our double-vaxxed, doubled-boosted President just announced that he has Covid. Again.
As time goes on, an increasing percentage of vaccinated people are being hospitalized with COVID. And more recent data points to a growing number of COVID deaths among the vaccinated. We mandated vaccines for many young athletes and by March 2022, at least 769 of them collapsed on the field, many from cardiac events. Average age 23.
College aged students generally navigate COVID without incident, but are at higher risk of developing vaccine-related side effects like myocarditis.
Please do not parrot NACCHO talking points if this bill becomes active. Protect our kids for real by protecting their choices.
“One thing that has become abundantly clear is that NO ONE has all the answers.”
Ann - After reading this article and the shocking responses of some of our neighbors, this one line sums it all up remarkably well. The pre-pandemic comments directed towards you and vaccine hesitancy in general brings my attention to just how far our movement has progressed since early 2020 and even since one year ago when a vast number of people everywhere believed with their hearts and minds that all vaccines are safe and effective. Well growing recognition of the flaws in the MRNA shots has done wonders in breaking the ice that helped produce this extreme prejudice that vaccines are some kind savior while those who raise any questions like you did are heretics who deserve nothing less than scorn and vilification.
But human beings are very capable of empathy and renewed understanding. Yesterday I read a random tweet from a young woman whose life was abruptly and brutally interrupted by an adverse reaction. Upon reading a cruel and uninformed attack against her, it was most surprising to see one comforting response after another reprimanding the guy and barraging him with facts and tales of people they knew who shared similar experiences. What a difference one year made. All I could think is the tide is certainly turning. And with it comes the courage and determination to speak truth to ignorance and make them aware of their misguided opinions. And things are just heating up.
I agree there have been some significant shifts. I will say that engaging on some of those community pages forces all kinds of introspection and helps me with the practice of tough interactions. Reading those comments can be triggering and they force me to slow down and observe my own responses.
Interestingly, I just realized that my most recent letter, published just last week (in Parsipanny, the only town that was willing to publish), seems to have been taken down. I guess we still have a way to go...
You are a beacon of light and courage. But you didn't think that was what you are, is my sense. I wish I could airlift you and your family to a place where people think straight. And are decent.
You're a wonderful writer and beacon of light. And courage.
Thank you, Celia. I wonder if anyone ever knows it when they are serving as a beacon of light. Did you? Your courage shifted the world on its axis. Did you have any idea? Or is it a delayed reaction in every way? You have a way of seeing things first... thank you for seeing the light in me. oxox
I look at the censorship as a sign that the propagandists are now on the defense. For every post that Is removed, 2 or 3 new ones pop up. Like they say, you can’t fool all of the people all of the time. On that note, a few months back I happened to see a posting on Nextdoor that managed to slip through the cracks. Someone who had taken the J&J shot was venting concerns about it after it was scrapped. This led to the longest thread of comments I’ve ever seen over the couple of weeks. And anyone who bothered reading them could see the validity of the questions raised. And also the narrow mindedness among the vaccine apologists. And out of it grew a private group of 30-40 freedom warriors who now keep in touch.
Maybe monsters is the wrong word, but these people are ignorant and very dangerous.
They would happily remove people from society and have every child forcibly vaccinated, without ever looking for evidence, or considering the consequences.
I have no time or sympathy for imbeciles like these, including so called "experts and doctors" who willingly ignore every piece of data presented to them, but will blindly follow "the current thing".
Yes, I see your point. I guess I'm trying to remind myself that they have hearts and are capable of good. I need to remind myself that sometimes when these people are cruel. But I actually think that, on these pages, their responses serve. What I have noticed is that only a fraction of the people who see my posts ever comment, but many will then approach me privately, appalled by the behavior they witness and expressing gratitude for my voice. Also, they bring their curiosity. Most of them are people who NEVER share their beliefs or questions publicly, who then think to come to me when they have questions later on. What I find is that, people who don't know what to think will gravitate towards the person they know will be kind. So really I post so that people know there is a safe space to ask questions...I don't intend to argue with hostile people, but I do let them bump my posts if they insist.
I'm so sorry, Heidi. You highlight such a critical problem. All of the measures that have been put in place to "protect the vulnerable" fail to do so and, you're right, they know it. We have replaced genuine consideration with ineffective protocols and EVERYONE suffers... except for those who profit and gain power from our compliance. Sending love to you, your son and your husband. The system has failed you. It is failing all of us.
These people believe they are following the science. They understand corruption. The best we can do, I believe, is to show them that medical scientists say the system is corrupt. This is one of my responses:
The last couple of years, heralds a new era where government appointed medical scientists have been given a position to dictate to the citizens. They have dictated when we can leave our homes, how far we can travel, order mandatory face masks and coerce citizens to be injected with pharmaceutical products etc.
This would be OK if the medical industrial complex were not corrupt.
Here are 3 editors of major Medical journals who are telling us that corruption is rife in medical science. These are not fringe conspiracy theorists, these are experts who have been at the coal face of medical research for decades!
What if there is a huge web of corruption that aims to design studies that amplify the effectiveness of vaccines? More importantly, to shut down any research or researcher that suggests they have significant safety concerns? I'm arguing this case because we are at a point where people who don't trust vaccines are being labelled irresponsible and worse. Experts who question the safety or the effectiveness or the necessity of the vaccines often lose their jobs and are always censored and vilified.
People are defending this because they are told that we are following the science. Well I'm putting the point across that we should at least question this ideology because editors of prestigious medical journals have come out and told us that medical science is corrupt!
Maybe we should be a little less trusting?
"Politicisation of science was enthusiastically deployed by some of history’s worst autocrats and dictators, and it is now regrettably commonplace in democracies.20 The medical-political complex tends towards suppression of science to aggrandise and enrich those in power. And, AS THE POWERFUL BECOME MORE SUCCESSFUL, RICHER AND FURTHER INTOXICATED WITH POWER, the inconvenient truths of science are suppressed. When good science is suppressed, people die."
KAMRAN Abbasi, executive editor BMJ, 2020.
https://www.bmj.com/content/371/bmj.m4425
“It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or AUTHORITATIVE MEDICAL GUIDELINES. I take no pleasure in this conclusion, which I reached slowly and reluctantly over my two decades as editor of The New England Journal of Medicine” (my emphasasis)
Marcia Angell 2004
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4572812/#!po=87.5000
2016
"It's unusual to watch one of the world's most powerful editors in scientific publishing play with a marionette puppet.
But Dr. Fiona Godlee, editor of the BMJ, specializes in the unexpected.
The puppet she's holding is dressed as a doctor, complete with a stethoscope around its neck. Its strings represent the hidden hand of the pharmaceutical industry.
'I think we have to call it what it is. It is a corruption of the scientific process.' -Dr. Fiona Godlee, editor, BMJ "
Another quote from the article
"It's led me and others to increasingly question the idea that the manufacturer of the drug could ever be considered the right people to evaluate its effectiveness and safety," Godlee says.
"That seems to me to be very mad idea which has grown up historically, and we have to start questioning it and we have to come up with alternatives, which would mean independent studies done by independent bodies."
And it matters, Godlee says, because bad science can be dangerous.
"Patients do get hurt."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/bmj-fiona-godlee-science-1.3541769
Thank you, Peter. Great quotes! And I agree that we might have some success chipping away at that deference to authority by pointing out that some of their trusted sources acknowledging some serious problems in the system. But, corrupt or not, I would never be ok with the medical industrial complex dictating when we can leave our homes, how far we can travel, and what we inject into our bodies.
It sounds like you are working hard to meet people where they are. How have the responses been? Do you think people are coming around?
Well I don't have a public profile. I've had some interesting debates on my fb page. The vaccine enthusiasts don't seem to have changed their position much but I don't believe you could be unchanged reading about this corruption. I've had friends (fence sitters) write to me and say that they invisibly follow the debates and agree with me.
I think the debates are really for the fence sitters. I can't speak for you, but my vaccine position is a pro-choice one, so I don't need to convince vaccine enthusiasts. I just want people to have access to other information before they make these important decisions. To that end, it sounds like you are finding creative ways of meeting people in the middle and opening the conversation, which is awesome.
In regards to NJ’s A4334 bill requiring COVID vaccines for all higher institutions of learning I sent emails opposing A4334 to all 40 members of NJ Senate and to all 80 members of NJ Assembly. I was able to do this in using only 2 emails.
ACT NOW NEW JERSEY: Tell Your Law Makers to Vote NO to Covid Vaccine Mandates at Institutions of Higher Education | Stand for Health Freedom
https://standforhealthfreedom.com/action/no-college-mandates/
Here’s a copy of the emails I sent:
👉🏿As a New Jersey voter I ask you to oppose A4334.
On June 20, Asm Herb Conaway introduced bill A4334, which would require students, staff and “others present” at institutions of higher education to receive the COVID-19 vaccine.
This legislation is discriminatory, unnecessary and absurd. COVID vaccine mandates were always wrong, but now they are also just blatantly punitive. And dangerous.
We can no longer deny that some of the early warnings about these shots were warranted.
There have been over 50,000 cases of myocarditis, nearly 16,000 heart attacks and nearly 30,000 deaths reported to VAERS, the CDC’s own surveillance system. A Harvard study asserted that less than 10% of adverse events ever get reported, so these numbers represent fraction of what is happening in the real world. And while we can’t talk about causality, these are gigantic safety signals and we need to look at them.
We’re learning that there are at least temporary impacts in fertility for both men and women and the long term impacts remain unknown. Miscarriages are off the charts. These things were dismissed as “misinformation” early on, but we seem to confirm more of them every week.
These shots provide no public health benefit. They do not stop infection or transmission. They were formulated for variants that no longer exist and they’re not effective against the current circulating strains. Our double-vaxxed, doubled-boosted President just announced that he has Covid. Again.
As time goes on, an increasing percentage of vaccinated people are being hospitalized with COVID. And more recent data points to a growing number of COVID deaths among the vaccinated. We mandated vaccines for many young athletes and by March 2022, at least 769 of them collapsed on the field, many from cardiac events. Average age 23.
College aged students generally navigate COVID without incident, but are at higher risk of developing vaccine-related side effects like myocarditis.
Please do not parrot NACCHO talking points if this bill becomes active. Protect our kids for real by protecting their choices.
Thank you.
Ron Hollis
Thank you, Ron!
“One thing that has become abundantly clear is that NO ONE has all the answers.”
Ann - After reading this article and the shocking responses of some of our neighbors, this one line sums it all up remarkably well. The pre-pandemic comments directed towards you and vaccine hesitancy in general brings my attention to just how far our movement has progressed since early 2020 and even since one year ago when a vast number of people everywhere believed with their hearts and minds that all vaccines are safe and effective. Well growing recognition of the flaws in the MRNA shots has done wonders in breaking the ice that helped produce this extreme prejudice that vaccines are some kind savior while those who raise any questions like you did are heretics who deserve nothing less than scorn and vilification.
But human beings are very capable of empathy and renewed understanding. Yesterday I read a random tweet from a young woman whose life was abruptly and brutally interrupted by an adverse reaction. Upon reading a cruel and uninformed attack against her, it was most surprising to see one comforting response after another reprimanding the guy and barraging him with facts and tales of people they knew who shared similar experiences. What a difference one year made. All I could think is the tide is certainly turning. And with it comes the courage and determination to speak truth to ignorance and make them aware of their misguided opinions. And things are just heating up.
BTW I’m enjoying your writing. It’s kind of cool.
I agree there have been some significant shifts. I will say that engaging on some of those community pages forces all kinds of introspection and helps me with the practice of tough interactions. Reading those comments can be triggering and they force me to slow down and observe my own responses.
Interestingly, I just realized that my most recent letter, published just last week (in Parsipanny, the only town that was willing to publish), seems to have been taken down. I guess we still have a way to go...
http://tapinto.net/towns/parsippany/articles/what-science-is-our-board-of-health-following-14
You are a beacon of light and courage. But you didn't think that was what you are, is my sense. I wish I could airlift you and your family to a place where people think straight. And are decent.
You're a wonderful writer and beacon of light. And courage.
Thank you, Celia. I wonder if anyone ever knows it when they are serving as a beacon of light. Did you? Your courage shifted the world on its axis. Did you have any idea? Or is it a delayed reaction in every way? You have a way of seeing things first... thank you for seeing the light in me. oxox
I look at the censorship as a sign that the propagandists are now on the defense. For every post that Is removed, 2 or 3 new ones pop up. Like they say, you can’t fool all of the people all of the time. On that note, a few months back I happened to see a posting on Nextdoor that managed to slip through the cracks. Someone who had taken the J&J shot was venting concerns about it after it was scrapped. This led to the longest thread of comments I’ve ever seen over the couple of weeks. And anyone who bothered reading them could see the validity of the questions raised. And also the narrow mindedness among the vaccine apologists. And out of it grew a private group of 30-40 freedom warriors who now keep in touch.
Yes, I believe you're right. Many more people are chiming in these days. People are seeing the stakes.
Maybe monsters is the wrong word, but these people are ignorant and very dangerous.
They would happily remove people from society and have every child forcibly vaccinated, without ever looking for evidence, or considering the consequences.
I have no time or sympathy for imbeciles like these, including so called "experts and doctors" who willingly ignore every piece of data presented to them, but will blindly follow "the current thing".
Yes, I see your point. I guess I'm trying to remind myself that they have hearts and are capable of good. I need to remind myself that sometimes when these people are cruel. But I actually think that, on these pages, their responses serve. What I have noticed is that only a fraction of the people who see my posts ever comment, but many will then approach me privately, appalled by the behavior they witness and expressing gratitude for my voice. Also, they bring their curiosity. Most of them are people who NEVER share their beliefs or questions publicly, who then think to come to me when they have questions later on. What I find is that, people who don't know what to think will gravitate towards the person they know will be kind. So really I post so that people know there is a safe space to ask questions...I don't intend to argue with hostile people, but I do let them bump my posts if they insist.
I'm so sorry, Heidi. You highlight such a critical problem. All of the measures that have been put in place to "protect the vulnerable" fail to do so and, you're right, they know it. We have replaced genuine consideration with ineffective protocols and EVERYONE suffers... except for those who profit and gain power from our compliance. Sending love to you, your son and your husband. The system has failed you. It is failing all of us.